Anytime there is a mass influx of immigration people get scared. When the Irish were coming over during the potato famine, people were scared of losing their culture and sovereignty. The story is the same now with the Mexican immigrants.

As far as the North American Union and one world government, I am against that, but taking away the freedoms of others is not the way to solve the problem. Using force against others never solves anything.

It’s our sovereignty that’s most at stake here.

As for the minimum wage, I do not see how profit would go down. The price of goods would go down because of the minimum wage being gone. This would not lower profits. However, I do agree with you that it is all relative. This is why I do not understand the recent push for a national increase. There is one thing about the relativity though. It only exists within our country. If the minimum wage were gone, I could see more companies staying in this country instead of outsourcing to other countries. Granted, it would take a lot more than just the minimum wage being abolished but it would be a good step.

Now we move on to education. Check out this link and search for the word cost. http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/edreform/edreform.htm The government itself admits that private education is cheaper than public education. By more than $3000 per year. So that refutes your first point. If early education were to be privatized, it is likely that the cost of education would go down, because of competition.

This is purely speculation on both of our parts, but I would have to say that the quality of education would go up. There would be competition unlike the current government monopoly. Schools would advertise their graduation rates, college and job placements, and average SAT scores in order to get more money. It would also be unlikely that teachers would be paid less because private organizations are always managed better than government ran organizations.

Your next point is pure speculation. Who is to say that in a free-market society citizens wouldn’t be educated? Like I have already pointed out, education would be cheaper and more than likely better than it is now. To say that it would cause a decrease in the amount of charities also does not make sense. The wealthiest one percent of our country are the ones who donate the most to charities. Look at Bill Gates as an example. He was an entrepreneur who dropped out of college and did not need most of his high school education and he has his own charity.

In your last point you said ‘How can we obtain Liberty if we are not taught to think for ourselves?’. Do you actually think that government schools teach us to think for ourselves? I think the truth is quite to the contrary. Most of the ‘facts’ they teach us in history class are complete lies. Was the war of northern aggression fought over slavery? No. It was fought over states rights. If it were really about slavery, then why did it take Lincoln two years to sign the Emancipation Proclamation? Government high schools are nothing but socialist indoctrination. They teach us to trust and love mommy government. They teach us that we need all the socialism in this country in some cases. They teach us that war is peace, but they absolutely do not teach us to think for ourselves.

I appreciate your views and where you are coming from, but I am here, once again, to give an opinion differing from yours. I think Chelsea made excellent points, especially with the migrant worker issue. That is an “argument you get from people all the time” because it happens all the time and is mostly true. In most countries, there is just not enough opportunity. Also, isn’t it funny how people say or imply that an absolute evil is being done unto us when they want to incur change? It’s not funny, actually, but I find it very interesting how extreme these statements can be such as implying that the United States is not a “free society”. It depends on your viewpoint, I guess, because their are certain psychological phenomena that CAN control our behavior through society. However, relative to most countries of the world we have many freedoms, especially physical and verbal ones, that they do not. I will stop here, as it is off topic–if you want to discuss it further send me an e-mail.

I am going to stray once again from this thought for the moment, and come back to one of the earlier posts and the topic of the MINIMUM WAGE.

“… with out a minimum wage, it is likely that the price of goods would go down…”(Rotting Nation, Oct. 30 9:54 PM). This is very true, indeed, so once the price of goods goes down, effectively making their profits decrease, how will said businesses be able to afford paying their workers their current wage when the business is not making as much money as before? Granted, their operating cost will decline as well, but it is all relative, my friend. It will even out in the end, so why complicate things by trying to amend our laws? (we all know how expeditious THAT process is…). I think I have thought enough on this subject for the time being (more thought pending your response). Remember–it is all relative.

So let’s go to another reason why government funding through taxes should remain.

EDUCATION, K-12

I imagine you would argue once again that people should pay for their own schooling, but how expensive would tuition be? VERY. There are a lot of families who struggle to pay for their childrens’ lunches, and there is no way they could pay for schooling, past simple “school fees”. If you are thinking that community members would make donations, you would be mostly mistaken. The high school I attended passed one levy in six years, because there is a high population of people who do not have school-aged children. For that reason, we had minimal classes–which is fine, I guess. It allows for a more focused education–but for that reason (and because our sports programs were crappy) there was rather low morale and school spirit. The more involved a person is with something, the more seriously they will take it, getting more from the experience.
Here are the main points that I am trying to convey:

+With funding for schools cut, the cost of an individual’s education will skyrocket, making it impossible for some to recieve an education

+Quality of education would diminish, because a lot of the potential teachers would be discouraged by the minimal income (which would be even more so than it already is) and go into other fields

+If our country is not educated properly how are our citizens to thrive in the global market, not to mention in the United States? There would be an extreme amount of outsourcing, and our citizens would be free to remain in a state of economic despair. ~ This would also probably cause a decrease in the amount of charities in the United States–due to lack of funding/revenue–much like the situation in Mexico~

+How can we obtain Liberty if we are not taught to think for ourselves?

I understand that you are trying to think outside of the box, but maybe you should think about how many dimensions this box has…

Warm Regards,

T. Shepard

As for your second point. I agree that most immigrants do not come here to live off of taxpayers. However, that is an argument I get from people all the time. So, I wanted to show how that would be taken care of in a free society.

I’m not sure I understand the part about ‘pouring money into their economy’. If you mean that it should be done on a voluntary basis, then I’m fine with that. However, if you think the government should do it then I couldn’t disagree more. Please leave another comment to clarify.